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 Post subject: Bosch Kloof Closed
PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 5:58 pm 
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oh crap, this is BAD news! wth? how did this happen????? :(


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 Post subject: Re: Bosch Kloof Closed
PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 6:18 pm 
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Do you think that if one camps or stays in the chalets at the house there, one will be able to climb in the kloof???


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 Post subject: Re: Bosch Kloof Closed
PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 6:32 pm 
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The guy from that camp does not actually own that land, he wanted to sell permits to people on saturday, R100 for a weekend permit! :shock:


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 Post subject: Re: Bosch Kloof Closed
PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 8:45 am 
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Oh no!!!
Any reason given for this closure?
Any end point in sight?
bad news :(


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 Post subject: Re: Bosch Kloof Closed
PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 12:38 pm 
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That's terrible!! Please keep us posted!


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 Post subject: Re: Bosch Kloof Closed
PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 9:35 pm 
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this is terrible. just terrible.
bosch is THE reason i go to Montagu. just dont have the arms to do all the steep overhanging stuff on Bad Kloof.
justin, can you please post your caperocknews email here. and maybe some of the stuff we discussed on the phone.
a sad day for climbing in the Western Cape.
- robert


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 Post subject: Re: Bosch Kloof Closed
PostPosted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 11:37 am 
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See the news item: Montagu Crag Closures – Bosch Kloof Closed

The reason for the closure is because of pollution in the water. The water is used for human consumption.
The owners of the Tollhuis do not own the kloof and staying there does not give you permission to climb in the kloof.

The matter is being handled, it's however going to take some time before we have any anything to tell you, so please be patient and refrain from entering the kloof.

Many thanks,
Justin

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 Post subject: Re: Bosch Kloof Closed
PostPosted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 11:45 am 
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pollution of what water? that trickle coming down boschkloof is not close to any climbs...... anyways, all the best with the negotiations.


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 Post subject: Re: Bosch Kloof Closed
PostPosted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 12:22 pm 
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Where does the problem lie - with the tenant/owner of the Tollhuis or with the owner of Bosch kloof? If the owners of Bosch Kloof do not have a problem with climbing in the kloof what about organising a path into the kloof that bypasses the Tolhuis property?


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 Post subject: Re: Bosch Kloof Closed
PostPosted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 12:44 pm 
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and the Baboons that like to throw presents around, not to mention the leopard that hangs around there...............are they going to control that?
Pretty sure I have seen cows walking along the river at the bottom and loads of big patties on the sand.
Get a water filter like everyone else...............MSR make excellent ones :jocolor:


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 Post subject: Re: Bosch Kloof Closed
PostPosted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 3:32 pm 
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Like Mok said:What water????

I think the owner of the Tolhuis is the problem,he's downstream of the kloof,so he's the one complaining.We were at Legoland once and people used one of those tent/shelter things you use on the beach for shade and the dude of Tolhuis went nuts!!!He's got a problem with climbers for sure!


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 Post subject: Re: Bosch Kloof Closed
PostPosted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 4:31 pm 
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This situation is very very sad and disappointing for all climbers. I have to say though that we have spent many weekends staying at Die Tolhuis as our dogs are allowed to join us when camping there. The owners of Die Tolhuis, Colin and Charmaine, are the most wondeful people and have only shown us considerable care and interest in our climbing in this area. We don't seem to know yet what actually happened to cause the closing down of the Kloof but I just felt that I needed to shed a better light on the owners of Die Tolhuis


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 Post subject: Re: Bosch Kloof Closed
PostPosted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 4:39 pm 
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I can def vouch for the owners of De Tolhuis too, I don't think he's the cause. They where very good to us when we stayed there aswell.

Don't start throwing mud(or is it cow patties) where there's none to be thrown. Might just make things worse.

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 Post subject: Re: Bosch Kloof Closed
PostPosted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 4:42 pm 
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Sorry guys,then I'm wrong about them.Hopefully this issue can be resolve!


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 Post subject: Re: Bosch Kloof Closed
PostPosted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 5:03 pm 
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Justin wrote:
See the news item: Montagu Crag Closures – Bosch Kloof Closed

The reason for the closure is because of pollution in the water. The water is used for human consumption.
The owners of the Tollhuis do not own the kloof and staying there does not give you permission to climb in the kloof.

The matter is being handled, it's however going to take some time before we have any anything to tell you, so please be patient and refrain from entering the kloof.

Many thanks,
Justin


Guys, lots of speculation going on here. The reason for the kloofs closure has been given above.
There is NO Permit System in place.

The matter is being dealt with. In the mean time please stay out of the kloof and be patient.
Tx,
Justin

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 Post subject: Re: Bosch Kloof Closed
PostPosted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 5:06 pm 
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agree that we should not jump to conclusions :thumright

justin, how about some more detailed info on the pollution issue? there is a lot of interest here & the reason given does not make any sense. can you afford to connect a few dots or is it sensitive?


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 Post subject: Re: Bosch Kloof Closed
PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 11:49 am 
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I was climbing in the area last week and had the opportunity to chat to Justin about it. It's as he says, just be patient, and please leave off entering that kloof for a while. Whether or not the arguments about pollution hold (ahem) water is not the point, that is their complaint and they do have control over access. They also have control over whatever crag is situated on their land as well.

I will make sure this is brought up with the MCSA at every level that I think would be productive, including the Access subcom, and the Rock subcom. We're happy to work with Justin in whichever way will achieve the best results.

This valley and it's crags are very important, so it's worth prioritizing.

In the meantime, maybe this is a good reason to get a bit stronger and re-visit some old projects in Bad Kloof or the Scoop ...


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 Post subject: Re: Bosch Kloof Closed
PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 8:08 pm 
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man this smells! by now i figured whatever the real issue is will not be made public - security guard wth??? :(


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 Post subject: Re: Bosch Kloof Closed
PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 7:53 am 
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Legoland does not seem to be closed - we climbed there yesterday and the guard at the gate was cool with it. He very politely asked us not to go any further than the 'private property' sign at the end of Legoland.

Chatted to Stuart and it seems the owner of the kloof is just stressed and has had enough - water, erosion, and preservation of his land for future generations seem to all be part of the issue.

This is a major bummer but let's be patient and hopefully a plan can be made for making proper paths to stop erosion and pollution of his drinking water. Justin thanks for taking the lead on this...

Meanwhile an opportunity to stop being so uncreative and start exploring new parts of Montagu!


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 Post subject: Re: Bosch Kloof Closed
PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 12:15 pm 
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Ok, here we go...

Legoland is open (up to the Private Property sign - Please do not go/climb past the sign). Interestingly enough climbers where told to leave from Legoland this morning.

If anyone is told that they may not climb at Legoland -->
Please report it to me along with the following info:
- Name of person who told you to leave
- Reason that you were told to leave / not enter - Please do not go/climb past the sign!
- Date and Time

Things are still sensitive at the moment, so if you are asked to leave, please don't be confrontational about it - just move on.
At this point in time it would be best to avoid Legoland and go check out a different crag.

Again, we are dealing with the matter.
Many thanks,
Justin

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 Post subject: Re: Bosch Kloof Closed
PostPosted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 4:16 pm 
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Howzit Justin,

I climbed at Legoland on Wednesday (21st) up to Bambino before the sign with no problems. I was However shocked and really sad to see at least 5 "Private" property P signs painted all over legoland's walls ! How can ANYONE in their right mind de-face such beautiful sandstone !!!?

That's just wrong !

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 Post subject: Re: Bosch Kloof Closed
PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2010 12:14 pm 
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Hi All,

Thank you to everyone for adhering to the Bosch Kloof closure.

Cogs are slowly turning and I ask that everyone please remain patient until the matter is (hopefully) sorted out.
Tx,
Justin

Hadley: I agree those 'No Parking' signs are terrible. As far as I know they were not painted by the owner of the kloof.

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 Post subject: Re: Bosch Kloof Closed
PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2010 3:25 pm 
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can we not pay somebody to get those cogs turning a bit quicker? montagu season is on us and low to mid grade climbers do not have that much to look forward to outside of boschkloof..... :(


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 Post subject: Re: Bosch Kloof Closed
PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2010 3:29 pm 
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Nope, money will not fix this problem.

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 Post subject: Re: Bosch Kloof Closed
PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2010 10:27 am 
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Well money might work if Mok buys the kloof, got a couple of million lying around hey Mok.

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 Post subject: Re: Bosch Kloof Closed
PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2010 10:41 am 
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Would be nice, alas the kloof is not for sale.
But if the cash is lying around spare, go see if you can buy Lost World :thumright

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 Post subject: Re: Bosch Kloof Closed
PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2010 11:58 am 
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jaja, got a few million zim$s stashed...... ag flip, the boschkloof issue is muchos sad. i've never seen anybody trash or act unbecomingly there, so much time & effort went into developing the area, the climbing & scenery is superb blah blah blah it's just hard to accept that there is no more access.

anyways, maybe we can find some new areas around montagu where mid-grade crags can be developed :alien:


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 Post subject: Re: Bosch Kloof Closed
PostPosted: Wed May 26, 2010 3:01 pm 
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Hi All,

Just had a chat with the land owner of Bosch Kloof.

The Kloof remains CLOSED.

Climbers have apparently in the past weeks been going into the kloof, please stay out of this kloof.
The line of communication is still open and we are seeing what can be done to organise access.

If you meet any foreign climbers heading up to Montagu, please inform them that the area is closed.

Many thanks,
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 Post subject: Re: Bosch Kloof Closed
PostPosted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 3:16 pm 
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Hi Everyone,
Just got back from Legoland where I had the 'displeasure' of posting a new sign up (see below).
The kloof remains closed, we (the MCSA) are in contact with the owner and are hoping to work something out.

Please (with a capital 'P') do not go into the kloof as this will jeopardise access.

Just to be clear the owners of The Toll Huis (at the bottom of the kloof) do not own the kloof and cannot give you permission to climb there.

Many thanks in advance for your cooperation,
Justin


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 Post subject: Re: Bosch Kloof Closed
PostPosted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 6:25 pm 
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Mok and Shorti - I'm sure both are said in jest but the attitude is not in keeping with most of the climbing fraternity - remember that the landowners have perfectly good access to these forums too.

These things are not 'forms to be filled in' - they require the forming and mending of relationships and understandings. Please be patient.


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