Could anyone give a bit of beta for the 3rd '18' pitch on bulls eye lower buttress. The move \"past the old peg\" in the roof felt damn hard for an 18' actually was the hardest of all the pitches even though the others are graded 19' + 20'. Not sure if I'm missing something...

I remember getting a slight knee bar on the flat of the roof and having to reach far up and to the left for the good hold. Also had a 'b(@%)it' of a scary moment right there. I think it is because the hold is hard to see and more to the left than what you originally think. So it's more of a 'freacking me out scary' move, than it being a 'hard' move.

Hope this is of some help. If not.. interesting. I also felt that bit to be the (probably mentaly) harder part of the route.

cheers for that a great help I really appreciate it! Another question! If anyone can answer it, the last pitch of quacks(also lower buttress) grade 20' goes left where bombay duck goes right seems damn near impossible to. Maybe I'm just getting weaker I don't know...

The move is reasonable at 20 on toprope not to hard a two move wonder. On lead it is harder becuase the only place to place gear is near teh top of the crack right at the hold for your fingers....sigh