Hi

I'd like some feedback on the possible grade adjustment of the 2 routes either side of "Kate's Moss".

Tom's Cruise: Previously the RD said "16, maybe 17" - I see it's now changed to 16. We found at least as hard as Kate's, if not harder. We're suggesting 17?

Venus Flytrap: The route guide lists is as "Venus Fly Trap 18??". We found it easier than Kate's, We're suggesting 17 also? I'd even go as far as a hard 16, if it was not for the semi tricky crimps right at the end.

Any feedback would be appreciated!!

I agree on the Toms Cruise being a 17. Maybe low in the grade, but a still a 17.