I was extremely disappointed to see that my project at Bronkies has been defiled by some inconsiderate wanabee !!!. The route was CELARLY marked with the standard “IP” at the bottom…,duh !!. I found the “IP” had been scratched out and the word “NEST” put in its place. Not only has the route been stolen but the idiot has called it “NEST”. The intended name was going to be “ONE FLEW UNDER THE EAGLES NEST” but that will now never be. I feel this blatant inconsideration and respect for others is a typical trend in the lack of ethics to be found in the climbing generation theses days. There are plenty of other lines in the area for your picking so why pick this one? This obvious line has been staring at us for years now and no one has done anything to bolt it. Now that I have taken the initiative to develop it, some dick steals it……hell man get a life !!!!

Hmm I tend to agree with your feelings on this!

Where is the route located- between which two established lines?

Bad luck Cragrat - but someone has saved you from opening a climb with a whole new danger involved - the largest piles of bird poop you can imagine barreling down at regular intervals...

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Chalk - to answer your question about location. It is situated around the middle point between the last newly opend climbs on the right as you go through the forest and the end of the crag before you enter the forest. As megawat says - you cant mistake the huge amount of bird dwang on the route. This will be cleaned up in time.

Cragrat - I think this heinous act is another symptom of the disrespect that today's youth display in general. I know back when you were young this sort of thing (along with television) would not have been an issue at all!

Cragrat - It's my understanding that your project is directly below the eagle's nest - a member of our group walked passed the \"nest\" sign on Sunday and mentioned it to me - at the time I thought it was just an interrim warning untill the sign boards are put up as discussed in another post.

Maybe you are starting to smell that foot in your mouth?

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I thought the same as you one dog.
When I read ... and put nest on it my thirst thought was.
Somebody is trying to make clear to you that the route cant be opened yet because birds are nesting!?
I think you can still open the route but have to put it in the fridge for a while.

What are we climbers well behaved huh!

jip, agree with the evidence not seen - somebody clearly wanted to make the case that the route should not be climbed because of the eagle's nest. so, is it too close to the nest or not? are you going to give up your route?

Come on CragRat. Leave the poor birdies alone...the damn eagle soaring above your head is/was the best thing about that chosspile of a crag.

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I see no reason to give up the route. I feel that if the eagles feel threatened they will move off to a more secluded spot. I abbed off there the other day and they flew away when i approached the nest so all seems fine. They seems to not mean us any harm.

You self centered f#ck-wit. It's not about you idiot, it's about allowing the birds to nest in peace - they were there first remember?

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Please refer to the topic Bronkies Bolts chahged...(sic)

Neil Smith, Manager-Conservation Division, Birdlife South Africa:

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Cragrat is obviously taking the piss with his lame attempt at a troll, and the marking of the proposed route.
So those that haven't spotted it, take whatever is posted here with a pinch of salt.

Cragrat, same happened to me, I clearly marked a route IP on the big cement structure near the crag, and someone had the audacity of marking it Dam.

So Cragrat, how long you been sitting under that bridge...

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Ok, so seeing all the righteous indignation at the obvious lack of ethics such a route would indicate, what if it had been the best line any of you had ever climbed straight up the eagles plumbing? Ask people to please bolt and climb quietly?

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Why take the risk? Why not just accept that it's a no-go zone and live with it? We are the one's encroaching on their turf, not the other way round. It's a simple matter of respect.


Maybe I'm the sucker then, but I'm getting increasingly upset with the way people treat nature. May Cragrat return as a bogroll in his next life either way.

This past weekend there was a fresh trail of stompies again, wish I could catch those persons redhanded. Why not make it a "No smoking" area? It's silly & sick, but at least then the perpetrators are clearly visible.

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what!?!?!?!?!?!
ok i am new to climbing and therefore dont know the etiquette etc involved in "opening" your own new lines but aren't we out there climbing in beautiful surroundings to enjoy nature?

black eagles are an endangered species! they are protected! all it takes is a selfish fool like you blatantly "abbing" passed their nest to disturb their breeding program. they won't just move to a new spot you twit!

i also mountain bike regularly and have found time after time that our riding trails are being closed by land owners / nature conservation groups etc. because of mindless individuals that have no regard for anything other than themselves.

i cannot believe that this mindset exists!

people like you (IMHO) should not be allowed anywhere near beautiful natural areas such as this!

disgusting.

i agree completely.
we're the first to bitch and complain that "our" trails are being closed, or we're being chased by land owners etc. etc. yet we show no respect whatsoever to the areas that we are PRIVELAGED to make use of.

Jeez guys !!! - all this anger over a freeking bird. Dont give me crap about \"conservation laws\" and \"they were there first\" and all the other lame boring stale bunny hugging quotes. The fact that the eagles are breeding is enough evidence to prove they have no issue with our precence. I WILL be bolting it and thats that and \"old dog hard on\" or whatever your name is - BITE me !!

Are they breeding though?
Sure there is a nest there ... but are there any chicks?

It's a simple matter of respecting your environment. whether or not it is nature or your neighbor or whatever. You are not alone in this world and what you do effects others (wildlife included)

How would you feel if i arrived at your house at decided to setup camp in your back yard? Heck, if you don't like it you could always move on to another area.

Bolt away moron; but don't be surprised or shocked if that route is cut / closed after the fact. In fact don't be angered or surprised either when we're (Yes, that's not just you!!!!!) banned from the area in general.

in light of the idiotic and completely selfish intent shown by CragRat ...

are there no guidelines, decent practices, legislation etc. that controls this kind of thing?

can any idiot just arrive at a rock face and claim it as his/her own and do what they like with it?

RyanCrowCrap you wrote:
[/quote]How would you feel if i arrived at your house at decided to setup camp in your back yard? Heck, if you don't like it you could always move on to another area.

i wouldn't exactly say you're giving them a choice ....
The Eagles have chosen that spot for very specific reasons and they wouldn't be endangered animals if there were hundreds of other places for them to just pick up their nest and move elsewhere.

but then i guess there isn't really much pointing in arguing with you, now is there?

No mr. crowcrap there is not much sense in arguing with me. I wish you had picked up on that awhile ago. But then I again youre not the brighters beener in the rack are you ? - I will just for curiosity sake go check just how many eggs there are and to see if any have hatched and keep you posted

Sheesh - new meaning to reading between the lines guys...

I'm pretty sure (gad I hope) that cragrat is, as Chabalala pointed out, taking the piss. My point in asking the question about the nest \"line\", which I don't believe actually exists, is that some potentially disturbing, highly rated lines have been bolted a couple of meters to the left, as per the other thread.

What Cragrat is doing, is taking the question off those other lines - purposefully or not.

I'm not advocating rash action either way - just a little more investigation - before any solution is proposed. There are a couple of people doing this already through quiet means so as not to end up with any drastic consequences.

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Being the boertjie, I'm not 100% clear on what "taking the piss" means - does it mean rattling the cage, or perhaps having a laugh at the expense of someone else?

On your statement above, according to my companion, the word "IP" is indeed written on the rock, scratched out and replaced with "Nest". Whether ir not it's bolted at all is unclear to me.

The act of just writing the word then to "rattle the cage" (if that interpretation is correct), boils down to common vandalism / graffiti. Alternatively if it is indeed his intention to bolt it, I rest my case.

It's my understanding from the other topic that at least the bolters / someone else is considering the proximity of the routes already established, unlike CragRat who is happily just blundering along.

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A couple of comments.

1) Climbers (inspite of our tread softly attitudes) will never win any battles when going head to head against green issues. Crags and sectors have been closed around the globe when popular (non climbing) opinion has gotten wind of an environmental conflict with climbing.

2) Any first ascentionist has a responsibilty to produce a route that is safe and asthetic. In addition they must also should avoid potential sources of conflict. (no pink hangers, artificial holds etc etc.)

3) You have to consider a bigger picture:

\"I WILL be bolting it and thats that...............\"

smacks of selfishness and a narrow minded outlook. Such a view ignores of the overall impact that a route conflicting with environmental issues may have should the media get its teeth into it. Ironically the dialog in these postings has only served to heighten this posibility

yea well i'm not taking cragrat seriously anymore but be sure of this my sweetiepie: if mok happens to be at the crag when you bolt / climb a line that clearly disturbs the eagles and therefore puts everybody's access in jeopardy....... well this peace loving guy is going to shove your head up your backside. kapish?

I think everybody, expect our beloved troller, cragrat, is with Mok one this one.

I'd go as far as to say, that there should be no more lines going up closer to the eagles, than the existing ones.

harken to the words of that wise man, mr chabalala.