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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 1:00 pm 
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Ok, i don't care about the grades. :P...But now that you are here: I'm keen to boulder this sunday(17nth). Anyone keen to show me around to the new problems? (dont have a car that can go on that road though:( )


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 3:46 pm 
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Ha ha. I'm also really keen to check out Ezemvelo - I have not been there so I can't show you anything unfortunately. Do you need a 4x4? I have a workhorse of a city golf - would that do? Please keep me in the loop if you find some people: rabehermann@gmail.com

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 9:06 am 
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Is there a route guide for eZemvelo?
I cant seem to find one


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 9:16 am 
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Seems the same questions keep popping up with this venue...( search the forum)
Apparently the RD is available from the folks at the barn in PTA.
Apparently you also need to be escorted by someone who is known to the mangement of eZemvelo..
Just getting the feeling that you have to be part of "the club" to have access to this spot.
Are the developers being selfish, or lazy... or are the issues around access and numbers.
Just asking..... some enlightenment around this area would be useful to everyone.
A page on the wiki would solve this for everyone.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 9:38 am 
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DavidWade wrote:
A page on the wiki would solve this for everyone


Agreed. I had it that the escort was needed while the RD was not available, and that if and when the guide book became available this would no longer be needed.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 8:36 pm 
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@peanut.... I am afraid you have the wrong idea, no one is trying to "keep the place to themselves". The place is a nature reserve. They can't just let a bunch of climbers loose in the place, they have an eco-system to protect. The guys who did the development there is trying to make it more accessible to everyone and there are talks of a camping spot and so forth...so just be patient :-)


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 9:46 am 
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The bouldering area in ezemvelo is not resticted to a closed group of people as some may think. As Ansie said, it's a nature reserve and the eco-system is the main priority for the management of ezemvelo. We are having on going discusions with the management of ezemvelo to improve access to the boulder area. We will keep you up to date conserning any changes.

We are heading to Ezemvelo on sat 23 July for the night.
The purpose of this visit is to take photo's of climbers on some of the boulder problems for the route guide.
This will be taking place from around 15:00 hours on saterday.
If anyone would like to join us on sat or visit Ezemvelo at any other time please contact me at:

Schalk
Tel: 073-744-3952
Email: topoutclimbing@gmail.com


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 8:53 pm 
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So what is the info?
Escort/ No Escort?
RD/ no RD?
Whatever the arrangements may be, PLEASE POST IT IN THE WIKI !!
Otherwise you WILL see a bunch of climbers let loose, and a promising spot will be lost as a result of poor communication!

Thanks


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 9:30 pm 
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You were correct earlier when you mentioned that an escort is needed and that the closest thing to an RD can be found at the Barn. I noted a hint o sarcasm earlier when you said that the arangements must be posted otherwise we WILL see a bunch of climbers let loose in the place. Well good luck with that, because first you will have to get past the security guard (and entrance is not cheap), then you have to go to reception to sign in, and only after that you can go on your merry way looking for boulders. But bear in mind that the place is huge....so good luck trying to find them. So stop being an asshole, juts go to the Barn and politely ask Schalk or Dean if they would be so kind to escort you. They are really super nice dudes and they will probably enjoy taking you there. And please remember, stop acting as if you have the right to go and climb on any rock you want, you don't, its on a private game reserve. No one is under any obligation to post anything on the wiki.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:20 pm 
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Ansie wrote:
No one is under any obligation to post anything on the wiki.


Yes, you are dead right Ansie. But there's a flip side to every story. Some people who have been doing lots of effort in other areas, bolting, developing, posting on the wiki (and a bunch of other just plain wannabes like me) are lank frustrated because it's a plain bitch trying to figure out what's going on at Ezemvelo, and yes, it's been dragging on quite a while.

I myself have been at the reserve a few times and trust me, the staff / rangers had a quite a different story than what's been posted here.

#1: Thanks for the effort being done.
#2: Please keep the rest of us informed. We're not a bunch of zombies looking to swarm the place, but we'd like to know what's potting. We don't want to f#ck it up. Currently there is confusion. The wiki is quite cool for this purpose.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 6:39 am 
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@Emile. I know a WIKI update would be cool, but my whole point was that perhaps it is a bit premature for that. We shouldn't be complaining that this has been dragging for a while, because if it were not for the trouble that those guys went through to start developing there in the first place, then there would not be an eZemvelo boulder spot AT ALL. In fact I think it is a small miracle that we do have limited access, since this is private property. And do keep in mind that Shalk and Dean and the other guys have jobs that they do during the day, so it is not like they can invest all of their time to write a RD and take climbers to go boulder. I honestly never got the impression from these guys that they want to have their own secret little spot that no one can access.

It does suck that we do not have any decent accessible bouldering spots in Gauteng, while the Capetonians have more than they need, I suppose it is just a matter of geology. But we have many amazing places to go trad climbing, so maybe you should just do what nature intended for you to do and head down to the Maggaliesberge.

Anyways Emile, I am curious now, what was this whole different story that the staff had? It sounds like you have something we should hear.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 9:18 am 
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Ansie,so you are the Ezemvelo media liason/spokesperson? You guys have quite the structured thing going on there?

Furthermore, it is a logical fallacy to state that if it wasn't for jack-frank-schalk...combined efforts then the climbing area would not exist, implication - it would never exist. Origins need not be restricted to one nor any other finite number of times!

So, is the climbing at Ezemvelo any good, seeing that the entrance fee could hurtle me into the proverbial red?

Finally, if I have the financial capabilities to afford the entrance fee, the finesse to get past the guard in one piece, and the personal drive to try and find boulders on the property that are climbable, enhanced by boulder-finding savvy- I.e. If I find the bouldering myself and maintain good low impact protocol, what would the big deal be about, Ansie?


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 9:30 am 
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Please people - this is starting to sound like a long winded trad ethics argument that's just boring
and usually leads nowhere. Bouldering threads should stay as uncomplicated as is the style of climbing!!! Calm down and let's see what Schalk&friends come up with. Chances are good that I will join the event this Saturday and personally also find out what the future holds.

peace


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 10:11 am 
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Arrangements concerning access to Ezemvelo bouldering.

At the moment the arrangement we have with the management is that all climbers must be escorted by one of the following people: Paul Bruyere, Dean Marias, Johnny Steenkamp or myself.
The reason for this is that they don't want hundreds of people running around in their reserve and doing their own thing.
It took us a years worth of negotiation with a board of directors to gain access for climbers to Ezemvelo and if we do not keep by the parrameters they set us they will close the area.
Some of the conditions they set us is as follow.
It is a nature reserve and the protection of the eco-system is priority, this meens all the rules of the reserve apllies to climbers entering the reserve.
All climbers for the time being must be escorted by one of the above mentioned persons.

At the moment we are arranging that access in the near future will work as follow:
- A South African Climbing Federation card must be presented at reseption.
- A few copies of the route guide will be avialable at reseption, these copies will be avialable to any climbers visiting Ezemvelo. The route guide must then be returned to reseption on your departure. This will be a temporary arrangement till the route guide is done.
- The indemnity forms must be sighned by every climber entering reserve.

I will post a notice on Climb Za and Wiki as soon as these arrangements are in place.

Over the last few years we have been taken more than 150 individauls to Ezemvelo and showing them around as arranged according to our entry arrangement. But as a few people know we don't mind people going climbing unescorted as long as they make arrangements with us first. We ask you to do this because they contact me every time someone shows up unescorted.

We have put alot of effort and time in to Ezemvelo bouldering.
Some of these efforts are as follow:
Compiling a comprehensive route guide, which will be available at numerous outlets as soon as its complted. A section of the route guide will also be publised in the new Gauteng route guide, this is being done by Neil Margets.
We are busy building a campsite at the bouldering area which will be exclusively for climbers. This campsite will accomadate a maximum of 10 people as there will be only one tiolet (reserve regulations are that 1 tiolet serves a maximum of 10 people)
We've also been laying ot hiking trails between bouldering areas.
Enviromental studies has also been taking place. This is being done to calculate the impact we as climbers have on the eco-system.

These are just a few examples of whats being done to open a bouldering area for Gauteng climbers.
All these efforts are being made to open area where the land owners are happy and we will be able to enjoy the area for many years to come.

Please don't hesitate to contact me for any future inquiries and if you are intrested in helping out with any thing, I will be more than happy to hear from you.

Thank you
Schalk Erasmus
Tel: 073-744-3952
Email: topoutclimbing@gmail.com


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 10:20 am 
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Thank you Schalk!
Now we know..... Problem solved.
Thanks for the effort.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 11:32 am 
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See, I was right, no need to be nasty. Thanks for the info Schalk


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 11:38 am 
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Thanks Schalk.

With out wanting to dislodge another hornets nest, what if you are not a member of the SANCF?
Would MCSA cards do?

Thanks

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 1:09 pm 
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Good question MarkM. What indeed is the SANCF?? I've never even heard of it!


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 1:31 pm 
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MarkM wrote:
With out wanting to dislodge another hornets nest, what if you are not a member of the SANCF?
Would MCSA cards do?

Yup. Isn't that what the MCSA is for?


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 2:03 pm 
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Real Name: Neil Margetts and SANCF Committee
SANCF stands for South African National Climbing Federation. It is the body currently organising competitions in South Africa and is also responsible for sending climbers such as Candice Bagley and Arjan de Kock overseas to compete in international competitions.
In August a group of young climbers are being sent over to compete in the Youth World Champs held in Imst, Austria.
SANCF has helped with access to Chosspile and will probably involved in helping with access to other places like Ezemvelo in the future.
I hope that answers your immediate questions. For more information on SANCF visit www.sancf.org.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 3:57 pm 
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http://www.climb.co.za/wiki/index.php/Ezemvelo

I barely held on to my job, but there it is. I'm having a terrible case of wiki-itis coming on though..... :pirat:


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 4:14 pm 
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SANCF wrote:
SANCF has helped with access to Chosspile and will probably involved in helping with access to other places like Ezemvelo in the future.
I hope that answers your immediate questions. For more information on SANCF visit http://www.sancf.org.


Thanks for the response Neil. It does provide some clarity, however does it mean that only SANCF members will get access to Ezemvelo? Or will SANCF members get reduced entry fees or something similar?

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 7:31 pm 
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Cool Schalk.

I am keen to join , just for saturday... Got 2 pads. Will contact you, as keen to drive in convoy. ( i like restricted access, elite, less trash - if full-up climb somewhere else)


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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2012 10:47 am 
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Awe,

I am keen to go bouldering at Ezemvelo. What are the latest access arrangements.(the contact details/people given in the wiki are unresponsive?).

Gees.


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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2012 11:39 am 
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Try Schalk's other number 0845286703 I'm not sure which one he is using.

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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2012 10:53 pm 
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Okay, so my numb is 081 512 3294. Sorry old numb on wiki.

Give a call, I'm always keen to go boulder.


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