Insults do not help your positionOld Smelly wrote:This is pointless...it's like you guys are illiterate...or just being obtuse....
Unless you replace every biner on every piece of gear with a locker, you are going to be carrying around 6 extra lockers (3 for the one stance and 3 for the next) to use when you get to the stance, unless you know beforehand which gear you will use on the stance, and that adds up.Old Smelly wrote:NO Mok - "Less weight and less clutter" - I have already made the point that there is little weight saving and that therefore this argument is weak. And yes that means you would need to carry enough biners for your stances but you would have to anyway - so DUH! - no argument there.
We are not arguing our method is best, we are arguing that it is acceptably safe.Old Smelly wrote:So you don't use lockers - also no point - the argument was what should a beginner do - and YES if he is asking then he wants to know what is best. So no argument there. Same for you Hector - you take your own risks - but that is irrelevant to this discussion.
Old Smelly wrote:Nic - the point was that if you slide a clove hitch on to a snapgate at the gate and crossload it, it will most likely open at that point - try it!
That may be possible but you quoted my response to your assertion that a screwgate is significantly stronger in cross loading than a clipgate and then proceeded to criticize it on the grounds that the gate will be forced open by the clove which is not the same thing at all
Old Smelly wrote:As for the random argument that then we must all use steel auto lockers - see my previous point about the comparison being between aluminium snapgates and aluminium lockers - a matter of grammes - nothing else was posed - so your point is totally off the mark and absurd. As is the argument that all climbing must either carry the same risk or you must not bother at all.
Our point is about absolutism: you continue to assert that your method is the best way because you reduce a minor risk to a negligible risk at the stance; when there are far greater risks elsewhere that you appear to do nothing to address (e.g. the rope coming out of a piece of gear placed on lead during a fall). Therefore your "best" way is not the best way, because there are ways to improve it and make it safer that you are not using. If you want to advocate yours as the best way, you have to go all the way to the ludicrous end of the spectrum.